Turkey
Salaam,
Well, what did I think of Turkey...?
On the whole I had an amazing time there and to some it up in a few words, I think its definitely a country where the east meets the west.
I'd seen pictures of the the main Islamic sites in and around Istanbul before but I was totally blown away by actually visiting them and being able to witness the grandeur and sheer beauty of most of these sites. For all those people who complain that the Islamic world has not given anything back to the world I would say just go visit some of these sites in Istanbul and then speak.
I had previously read some stuff about the Ottomans but in Istanbul do you really get to appreciate the power and might of the empire they ran. Also I don't think a lot of Muslims realise or appreciate all the good things the Ottomans did for the Islamic world and instead are quick to criticise them. If you think think about it the Ottomans were at the forefront leading the Islamic nation for a longer period than the actual Arabs from the middle east so they probably have had a greater impact in terms of the Islamic ummah than the original Arabs from the middle east.
Another thing that obviously pops to mind is the political nature of Turkey; the fact that its a secular country resulting in the scarf and beard being banned from all government institutions. This has led to the country being very diverse in terms of Islamic practice. In some parts eg Eyup, the local population are very conservative, most women wear the scarf and the masajids are packed out, in other areas (unfortunately the majority of areas...) most women don't wear the scarf, huge mosques have attendances of around 20 people for salaats, alcohol is everywhere, the dress sense is very much like in the west etc. So its pretty weird that by taking a 10 min ride you can go from a religious conservative area to one which is pretty much like the UK. I think this fact reconfirms why people call this country the meeting place of the east and west, something I would strongly agree with.
The above being what it is, I really don't know how the religious Muslims get along in Turkey; to think that their in a Muslim country but cant grow a beard or wear the scarf, and to be surrounded by "Muslims" who openly behave like people from the west and it some cases it seems they are going out of their way to behave in an anti-Islamic manner. Thats why one thing I've found on my travels is that the more "Muslim" countries I visit the luckier I feel with living in the UK.
On the whole I think Turkey is a very very interesting country with a lot of history and culture which I think many Muslims don't appreciate. In the recent past its gone through a lot of political turmoil with the "Islamist" party coming into power which the locals say is a sign that a lot of people want to go back to their religious roots. I think it will be very interesting to see what happens in Turkey in the coming years.
Salaam
6 Comments:
'probably have had a greater impact in terms of the Islamic ummah than the original Arabs from the middle east'
Would probably Have to disagree with this since the original message came from the Arab World and so their effect on the Ummah cant be compared.
Also instead of using the world 'religious' wouldnt it be better to use the word 'practising'.
Just some thoughts.
Ma'Salaama
By Anonymous, at 10:49 PM
The original message came from Allah (swt) directly into the 'world' named Arab rather than from the Arabs themselves. The Prophet (S) was not sent but as a mercy to all of mankind.
Therefore what the various rulers did with this divine message for the Ummah can be compared. Saying that what the Ottomans did (from 1200 to just before 1924) had greater impact is defensible, even if you don't agree with it.
By Anonymous, at 10:49 PM
Oh no, your not of one of those arab supremacists are you...? Oh God...i've met enough of your kind on my travels to last a lifetime...
Well i disagree with you...for 700 years it was the Ottomans at the helm of the Islamic empire and it was during this time that some of the major achieveemnts were made and thus the Islam we see today is probably more due to their impact than anyone elses.
Even thought the "original" message did go to the arab lands one can't just go off this and say that for this, we are eternally indebted to them (as the arab supremacists try to always do). The fact that the original message went to them was nothing to do with them in the first place (ie they didn't do anything to deserve this but the message coming to them was passive on their part) whereas with the Ottomans, this was the reverse. So on the basis of who did what and who has shaped Islam into what we see today, i think that one Can compare between the arabs and the Ottomans.
"Religious" - "practising"; kama thasha
Salaam
By Me, at 3:36 PM
Just to clarify - i disagree with anonymous 1 (probably an arab or arab wannabe) but agree with anonymous 2 (probably a turk)...isn't nationalism great...?!
By Me, at 3:53 PM
Islam has ethics of disagreement, if I was anonymous 1 I'd feel hurt by your assumptions and harsh tone, a price not justifiable by trying to correct arrogant "Arab superiority". Although the content of your arguments aren't false from your last comment I, personally, wouldn't attach much importance to what you say as you come across with the same prejudices the Arab supremacists have.
Whoever had the greater impact only did so through Allah, not due to their own superiorities. Each nation had their strengths and their weaknesses and instead of arguing about who had the largest influence we should recognise that different communities have different roles to play, each equal and uncomparable to the others.
I agree with anonymous 1 in that it would be better to use the word "practising" as we don't know the intentions and state of peoples' hearts.
Wallahu a'lam
Wassalaamu alaikum
By Anonymous, at 12:02 PM
I agree with you...sorry anonymous 1..but the derogatory manner in which some of these arabs treat you and some of the things they believe in (much of which have no substance what so ever)is damn annoying
By Me, at 3:27 PM
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