Gender Relations
Salaam,
Hahaaaa...you thought I had disappeared off the face of the earth...well sorry to disappoint but I am still here...just about. I'm at home now for the xmas break and inshaAllah will be here until the 1st of Jan and then back to work. I'd like to dedicate the coming resurgency in my blogging to S.A.M (aka "The fake Sheikh" (a good nick name I think..lol)) who has had trouble living without my ramblings...he himself now runs a blog from the distant lands of Qatar..I would advertise it here but I fear some of his content may be inappropriate for my innocent masoom readers...if you clean it up, I may well advertise..anyway here you go sidi...:
A few weekends ago I had a much delayed reunion with some friends of mine from university. Alhamdulilla it was really good to meet them all as for some, it was nearly a year and a half since I had last seen them.It was quite a "unique" thing as all the people I met were non-Muslims. This might sound an odd observation, but all my life I've always lived around Muslims - my primary school was 100% Muslim, secondary was 80% and even the college I went to for A levels was 70%. The area I live in is also pretty much 100% Muslim (I know, I know, for my US fan base this will seem incredibly odd....). So going away to university was the first time I was faced by having to deal with being in a majority non-Muslim environment and to be honest, it pretty darn hard at first.
Anyway I'm digressing here. At the meal I sat next to one of the guys who I know pretty well and the topic of gender relations came up. He at the moment is sharing a flat with a "feminist" Muslim girl (*SIGH*)....who was complaining to him about why women in mosques had to pray behind men....so I replied back saying the debate really isn't on where women pray, but on whether women should be in the mosque in thefirst place... (he wasn't too happy with this). So from here we got into a debate about the role of men and women in society.The debate wasn't really to do with the Islamic perspective per se ora ny religious perspective (he's quite a hard core Christian himself) but more general than that. For example he was saying why is it the norm that women stay at home and look after the kids and men go to work..why can't it be the other way round...? And why is it that men are taught that they shouldn't cry whereas this is OK for girls etc etc...and his reason was that this is what society forces on them and thus they are made to conform with the "norms" of society...to which my response was although this might be true to a certain degree biologically men and women are born with difference which make women intrinsically more caring and "soft" whereas men who have more testosterone and are more aggressive (don't know if this is actually true...but I had to saysomething..!).
Then he replied back saying that studies had shown that as kids, girls are equally as likely to get into fights as boys and boys are equally as likely to cry at things as girls (I was thinking Damn...lol). Then I reverted the topic back to the specific prayer one saying obviously if you're trying to be holy and connect with God, if women are in front of you or next to you, it's not going to exactly help you concentrate..and the guy opposite who was a Hindu came to the rescue saying he could understand this and that segregation was present in many Hindu festivals. To which the Christian replied with the classic "why can't the women pray in front with a barrier separating them and with the men at the back?"....and so the conversation went round and round...
Anyway at the end we concluded that we were all correct in some way and parted ways. But I thought the whole conversation was interesting. I suppose for me the key thing to the Islamic perspective on Gender relations is accepting that women Are different to men and that what is expected off each is different, but this in no way means that onthe whole one gender gets a rougher deal than the other. For example...if I was a girl....(you won't hear me say that again..! Lol) I'd love to work for a charity and help the needy, but because I'm a man (grrr..) I feel that I need to be able to provide for my family and give them a platform to do well so I need to work in a "proper" job where the pay is better so I can do these things. This problem doesn't exist for muslimas as they have no obligation to provide money for the family and so they can easily work for a charity and the low pay they get paid doesn't matter that much as their husband is paying for everything. And loads of other examples I think where females in Islam get a better deal than males.
So yes - men, women, men and women, it's all a messy world out there.But with trust in Allah coupled with compromise, patience, sacrifice and just treating others how you would want to be treated, I'm sure we'll get there.
Salaams
Hahaaaa...you thought I had disappeared off the face of the earth...well sorry to disappoint but I am still here...just about. I'm at home now for the xmas break and inshaAllah will be here until the 1st of Jan and then back to work. I'd like to dedicate the coming resurgency in my blogging to S.A.M (aka "The fake Sheikh" (a good nick name I think..lol)) who has had trouble living without my ramblings...he himself now runs a blog from the distant lands of Qatar..I would advertise it here but I fear some of his content may be inappropriate for my innocent masoom readers...if you clean it up, I may well advertise..anyway here you go sidi...:
A few weekends ago I had a much delayed reunion with some friends of mine from university. Alhamdulilla it was really good to meet them all as for some, it was nearly a year and a half since I had last seen them.It was quite a "unique" thing as all the people I met were non-Muslims. This might sound an odd observation, but all my life I've always lived around Muslims - my primary school was 100% Muslim, secondary was 80% and even the college I went to for A levels was 70%. The area I live in is also pretty much 100% Muslim (I know, I know, for my US fan base this will seem incredibly odd....). So going away to university was the first time I was faced by having to deal with being in a majority non-Muslim environment and to be honest, it pretty darn hard at first.
Anyway I'm digressing here. At the meal I sat next to one of the guys who I know pretty well and the topic of gender relations came up. He at the moment is sharing a flat with a "feminist" Muslim girl (*SIGH*)....who was complaining to him about why women in mosques had to pray behind men....so I replied back saying the debate really isn't on where women pray, but on whether women should be in the mosque in thefirst place... (he wasn't too happy with this). So from here we got into a debate about the role of men and women in society.The debate wasn't really to do with the Islamic perspective per se ora ny religious perspective (he's quite a hard core Christian himself) but more general than that. For example he was saying why is it the norm that women stay at home and look after the kids and men go to work..why can't it be the other way round...? And why is it that men are taught that they shouldn't cry whereas this is OK for girls etc etc...and his reason was that this is what society forces on them and thus they are made to conform with the "norms" of society...to which my response was although this might be true to a certain degree biologically men and women are born with difference which make women intrinsically more caring and "soft" whereas men who have more testosterone and are more aggressive (don't know if this is actually true...but I had to saysomething..!).
Then he replied back saying that studies had shown that as kids, girls are equally as likely to get into fights as boys and boys are equally as likely to cry at things as girls (I was thinking Damn...lol). Then I reverted the topic back to the specific prayer one saying obviously if you're trying to be holy and connect with God, if women are in front of you or next to you, it's not going to exactly help you concentrate..and the guy opposite who was a Hindu came to the rescue saying he could understand this and that segregation was present in many Hindu festivals. To which the Christian replied with the classic "why can't the women pray in front with a barrier separating them and with the men at the back?"....and so the conversation went round and round...
Anyway at the end we concluded that we were all correct in some way and parted ways. But I thought the whole conversation was interesting. I suppose for me the key thing to the Islamic perspective on Gender relations is accepting that women Are different to men and that what is expected off each is different, but this in no way means that onthe whole one gender gets a rougher deal than the other. For example...if I was a girl....(you won't hear me say that again..! Lol) I'd love to work for a charity and help the needy, but because I'm a man (grrr..) I feel that I need to be able to provide for my family and give them a platform to do well so I need to work in a "proper" job where the pay is better so I can do these things. This problem doesn't exist for muslimas as they have no obligation to provide money for the family and so they can easily work for a charity and the low pay they get paid doesn't matter that much as their husband is paying for everything. And loads of other examples I think where females in Islam get a better deal than males.
So yes - men, women, men and women, it's all a messy world out there.But with trust in Allah coupled with compromise, patience, sacrifice and just treating others how you would want to be treated, I'm sure we'll get there.
Salaams
4 Comments:
Salam,
Was surprised with the mention of a lowly peasant like myself in this magnificent blog! However it was a pleasant surprise, aneway regarding your blog, found it intresting but u shud have cained em man! In all major faiths, the orthodox way is for men to be more dominant, in that their are no female relgious leaders. Its not really a relgious thing per se, however for a man of your limited capability you did well.
BTW u keep telling ur self that working in a haram enviorment if 'for your family'....shame man shame!
Hope you have a good xmas, ill c u when u get back to london. iA
By Stormy, at 8:42 AM
Why thank you for your limited compliments, i know that coming from you they mean a lot...!
That was my point - a lot of things we take for granted e.g. men have more of the "dominant" roles cannot be explined to people by saying "that's just the way it is"...because for them that isn't the way it is...! So you need to be able to rationally and coherentlly somehow explain things to them..which can be quite difficult due to our own limited understanding of things but also of "their" messed up way of thinking about society
Salaam
By Me, at 1:55 PM
Salaam- very interesting post, I liked the cartoon as well :)
As a practicing and proud Muslimah, I am very satisfied with the roles and responsibilities prescribed to me by Allah(swt). Men are not the dominant gender by any means, nor are they superior to women. They have been given certain duties that they are obligated to fulfill, and the same goes for women.
The problem is when pseudo-intellectual/ feminist wannnabe/ 'progressives' claim to make their own ijtihad and start Islam- bashing to suit their personal and/ or political agenda. And I used to get frustrated and angry about it, but then I truly began to understand the implication behind the belief that Allah(swt) chooses whom He guides.
And as a non-profit worker, I totally sympathize with the pressure that men face to hold high(er) paying jobs to adequately provide for their families. I make peanuts, alhamdulillah but it's ok because I'm not responsible for anyone.
Enough rambling... Eid Mubarak!
By bushraaa, at 5:57 PM
Ws
Lol..yeah i thought i would copy your style of putting in a cartoon or some kind of pic with each entry so its not just text
I agree with what you say - a lot of the time people come in with their own agendas and see how they can manipulate Islam to get what they want, rather than coming in open minded and viewing Islam for what it is. An interesting thing i recently read is that 3/4 of the new reverts in the UK are female...says something to those who claim Islam demeans women.
Taqabbala Llaahu minhaa wa minkum..!
Salaam
By Me, at 2:47 PM
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